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rubes1
Senior Member
Israel
United States, English
- Jan 25, 2006
- #1
Hello everybody. I was wondering if there was a rule as to when the verb "reconcile" should be followed by "to" & when it should be followed by "with." It seems both are used, but is there a rule. In the below sentence which would be more appropriate/correct? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Syria, for example, never reconciled to/with the French decision to carve out Lebanon and had maintained an embassy in Beirut.
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whatonearth
Senior Member
UK, English
- Jan 25, 2006
- #2
No, I do not believe that "reconcile" is ever followed by "to". In the example above I think you should use "with".
Hope that helps!
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maxiogee
Banned
English
- Jan 25, 2006
- #3
I would use the "with" form when talking about reconciliation between two entities.
Paul was reconciled with John after a misunderstanding was explained.
Germany was reconciled with England after the Second World War.
(I see the "with" as implying that there was a mutual involvement in the reconciliation.)
But, I would use the "to" format to cover reconciliation to an idea...
Syria, for example, was never reconciled to the French decision to carve out Lebabon and had maintained an embassy in Beirut
Tony eventually became reconciled to Mary's decision to sell her car, even though he now had to walk to work every day.
(I see this form as implying that the reconciliation was purely one-sided.)
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bartonig
Senior Member
UK English
- Jan 25, 2006
- #4
It seems to me that if you use reconcile passively then you use to. For example, I was reconciled to failure. And, so to, if you use a reflexive pronoun as in I reconciled myself to failure.
If used actively, you use with as in I want you to reconcile your figures with the books or how do we reconcile your story with the facts?
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Sean Brian Kirby
Member
Drujba-1, Sofia, Bulgaria
English, United States
- Jan 25, 2006
- #5
In the above example, one would indeed use "with." However, we do use, "reconcile to," As an example, "Serbia May Reconcile to Kosovo Gaining Independence." I believe it can be used thusly, "I reconcile to clean the sink." This would state that we determine to do soemthing distatsteful. It is very common to say things along the lines of, "We are reconciled to hardship," but that, of course, is different.
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bartonig
Senior Member
UK English
- Jan 25, 2006
- #6
I would say I am reconciled to cleaning the sink.
I reconcile to clean the sink seems like I resolve to clean the sink.
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river
Senior Member
U.S. English
- Jan 25, 2006
- #7
reconcile: with [a peron]; to [a situation]
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rubes1
Senior Member
Israel
United States, English
- Jan 25, 2006
- #8
Thank you all for your suggestions, though I am not sure I understand what the consensus is! Does everybody agree with River? That seems like an easy rule to follow.
panjandrum
Senior Member
Belfast, Ireland
English-Ireland (top end)
- Jan 25, 2006
- #9
Here is a suggestion to supplement river's hypothesis, based on bartonig's proposition.
We seem to have a feeling that reconciliation needs two parties.
If I am reconciled to cleaning the sink every week for a year, then I am in fact reconciled (with myself) to do this.
Back to Syria?
Syria, for example, never reconciled herself to the French decision to carve out Lebanon and had maintained an embassy in Beirut.
Syria, for example, had never been reconciled to the French decision to carve out Lebanon and had maintained an embassy in Beirut.
Hmm, I'm quite confused now.
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Sean Brian Kirby
Member
Drujba-1, Sofia, Bulgaria
English, United States
- Jan 25, 2006
- #10
bartonig said:
I reconcile to clean the sink seems like I resolve to clean the sink.
That is pretty much how it's meant as-written.
River's rule is pretty sound.
Bubilay
Senior Member
Misteriosa Buenos Aires
~Argentina~ castellano...
- Apr 23, 2006
- #11
Hi everybody!
I happen to have the sam eproblem, but applied to translation. My sentence is: "Adj(ustments) to reconcile to net cash". (Translation into Spanish)
Thank you in advance!
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saffster17
New Member
US English
- Nov 16, 2015
- #12
"Reconcile to/unto" a person seems to be an older form that is losing out to "reconcile with" a person. In the Bible, there are many examples: "First be reconciled to thy brother" (Matthew 5:24) or "...that he might reconcile both unto God" (Ephesians 2:16). These examples are from the 1610 King James Version, but newer translations have general kept "reconciled to," only dropping the archaic "unto."
According to the Google Books Corpus (http://googlebooks.byu.edu/) "reconciled to" reached its peak in the 1850's with 8,983 uses and declined to 4,573 uses in the 2000's, whereas in the 1850's "reconciled with" had 2,737 hits compared with 8,465 in the 2000's. Admittedly, this comparison is without nuance and doesn't address the person vs. situation question, but maybe this is helpful.
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Kotuku33
Senior Member
New Zealand
French & English, Alberta, Canada
- Feb 23, 2016
- #13
Hello everyone - how about in this example? "Let us assist humans with finding their bearings in a world changed by the unprecedented event of totalitarianism and in enable them to reconcile themselves
to/withthis world."
My gut says "with". But I'm really not sure...
Thank you!
panjandrum
Senior Member
Belfast, Ireland
English-Ireland (top end)
- Feb 25, 2016
- #14
See post #3.
If you want humans to be at peace with others in the world, then I suggest '... reconcile themselves with this world.'
If you want humans to accept that this world is what it is and accept that they cannot change it, then perhaps '... reconcile themselves to this world.'
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Ivan_I
Banned
Russian
- May 27, 2020
- #15
maxiogee said:
I would use the "with" form when talking about reconciliation between two entities.
Paul was reconciled with John after a misunderstanding was explained.
Germany was reconciled with England after the Second World War.
Would this be different?
Paul was reconciled with John after a misunderstanding was explained.
or
Paul and John reconciled with each other after a misunderstanding was explained.
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